Holon

Interview réalisée par Bertrand Hamonou

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Sorti le 17 mars 2018

It all started with the "Some Kind Of Order" CD which was distributed through the MoMT label back in 2005. The music was very exciting and fresh: electronic with sharp rhythm patterns, brillant EBM/techno from the technique side of things, which I felt was half human and half Artificial Intelligence. And the sounds used (and which are still used today on the new albums) were spacey and yet very precise. Lots of unreleased tracks were once made available onto the Holon MySpace page. Tracks such as "Variant 13", "Deluge", "Biocide", the latter being my favorite if that era. And then Holon disappeared for almost 10 years. Before the project was reactivated in 2015.

Mark, what happened that made Holon disappear back in 2008 ?
After releasing my first album "Some Kind Of Order" I found a full time job, I was in my mid twenties and three years out of college it was time to get serious. I had to give my full attention to the job and simply lost the will to work on any more music. It sounds banal but real life got in the way.

Then what made Holon come back in 2015? Was it a change in your life or did you get a new job?
You're right, life got more stable both financially and personally which in turn allowed me to direct my attention back to creative endeavors. I also got comfortable with new software, Ableton Live, which completely revolutionized the way I work. It allows for very fast and creative workflow.

What happened to your "2005-2008 lost tracks", are they gone for good or are you planning for a proper realease for them? And this also applies to the tracks that are available these days on your Soundcloud: will these get an official release one day too?
Even though I consider those early days ancient history I think I have some backups somewhere of all the old tracks. I'm not one hundred percent sure there would be a strong demand for them, and personally I would rather look forward than backward but if anyone wants them I could make them available, maybe on soundcloud or a direct download.

You came back in 2015 with "Augmented Reality". And since you returned there's been two full albums in 2017 and even one more called "Disruptive Technology" in march 2018. That's a lot of tracks being delivered almost in one go. Were all of these tracks recorded since you decided to return or are some of them from when you disappeared?
All the tracks on those new albums have been created in the last three years. I was dabbling with some ideas during my hiatus but nothing really came of it.

« In today's world the majority of listeners get their music from digital, mainly Spotify, Youtube, Itunes and some Bandcamp. For a niche musician like myself it's simply much easier and convenient to bypass the old music label system and release directly through Bandcamp. »
"Augmented Reality", "Echoes of the Void" and "Disruptive Technology" are records which you make available through your bandcamp site, although "Connect | Isolate" was also an ultra limited cassette release in Australia if I'm not wrong. Do you plan to release them on CD?
In my opinion in today's world the majority of listeners get their music from digital, mainly Spotify, Youtube, Itunes and some Bandcamp. For a niche musician like myself it's simply much easier and convenient to bypass the old music label system and release directly through Bandcamp. That doesn't mean that physical releases don't have their place(there is a lot of great vinyl out there) it's simply not very viable in my particular case.

So that's a personal choice of yours no to be on any music label?
I never really made any effort to contact labels after reactivating the project. And as far as I know no labels have shown any interest, they're free to contact me through soundcloud, bandcamp or facebook. I had individual tracks released on indie label compilations but nothing more than that. Whether the lack of interest speaks to the quality of my releases I have no idea. I'm comfortable with releasing through Bandcamp and Itunes directly and while a proper label release would give me more exposure and a wider audience, well, my music is out there for people to find and that's all that really matters.

Do you have any idea of how many tracks you've ever recorded? 
Over the years, at least a couple hundred.
How do you choose how to release them? Do you pick them from a stock of ready tracks you have or do you work around a concept for each new album?
I record all the time. I usually have one finished track per week. There is no real plan to it, I simply work on new music and after a while I select the tracks that fit together thematically and compile them into an album. I don't really do concept albums, it's usually just a collection of tracks that I feel fit a certain mood. As to how many tracks I've recorded over the years? At least a couple hundred.

« Rhys and Bill and their multitude of projects had an influence on me. I started listening to them in the early 90's ("Tactical Neural Implant") and they continued to be influential for a very long time. »
If I'd need to explain your music to someone who's not familiar with it yet, I think I'd say that it reminds me of Front Line Assembly and side projects in the way they sound, but in your own fashion: more detailed, more layered, even more complex rhythm patterns somehow. More spacey sounds too. Is that a band you feel close to?
You're spot on, there is no denying that Rhys and Bill and their multitude of projects had an influence on me. I started listening to them in the early 90's ("Tactical Neural Implant") and they continued to be influential for a very long time. Not as much these days but definitely they've left a mark on how a lot of us perceive dark electronic music. I also listen to a lot of Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin and early Autechre.

Are there any artists that you're actually close to from the same musical scene, with whom you'd exchange ideas or get their feedback when you're working on a record or a track?
This may be surprising to hear but none. I'm completely isolated from the scene, I work full time and now also have a family to raise. Music is extremely important to me but I'm also very busy with other things. I think of myself as a passionate outsider who loves to create this type of music but was never really a part of a larger scene.

You've recorded more that two hundred tracks. How long does that usually take to record one?
Over the last several years I devised very fast workflow by using Ableton Live which allows me to create music very efficiently. An average track takes me about 15 to 20 hours from beginning to end. That includes composition, mixing and mastering.

How does it work? Is there a way to compose that you follow each time?
One of my secrets is that 80% of my music is done by actually playing it into the sequencer using a keyboard controller or drum pads instead of programmed step by step using a mouse. This allows me to come up with the main structure of a track very quickly, usually within a couple of hours.

Do tracks that are as complex as yours go through a demo phase?
With modern technology there is no need to write limited demos first and then blow them out into a full production, that was done in the past as people had a limited amount of hardware and wrote basic tracks which they then took too full fledged studios to flesh out. This was of course very expensive and time consuming. These days you can do everything at once, compose, mix, master almost all at the same time as there are no limits to the amount of tracks and processing power available.

Could you tell us more about your sound library which I find fantastic! Where do all of these great sounds come from? Do you built them all from scratch and how time consuming is that process?
Thank you, the majority of the drum sounds are done by me using a drum synthesizer and about half the synth sounds are done from scratch. I do use some presets to save time, usually tweaked to my liking. Programming new sounds is very time consuming but once done the sounds can be reused multiple times. I made this string sound that I reuse constantly and it's become a staple of most of my tracks.

« I dabbled with vocals early on but it sounded silly so I gave up. I concentrate on delivering certain moods through the music alone. »
What I truly love in your music is that it doesn't needs lyrics at all. It's just unnecessary as it says it all through the beats, the breaks, and the wonderful sounds that you used. Is it a choice that you made at the very beginning, or where there times when you thought you'd need some vocals ?
I dabbled with vocals early on but it sounded silly so I gave up. I concentrate on delivering certain moods through the music alone. I find that instrumental music has a much longer lasting effect with me personally while I tend to tire of "songs" very quickly.

By the way, I'd be curious to know how you name a track when it's pure instrumental?
I read quite a bit, fiction and nonfiction so a lot of it comes from me digesting the different stories and incorporating the emotional elements into the music and titles. Of course films are also a huge thematic influence, my favorites being Blade Runner(and the sequel 2049), Alien(and Aliens) amongst a few others.

Talking about cinema, it seems to me that you're music would be perfect for sci-fi movies. Were you ever approached by any film/series companies asking you to work on a movie for them? Netflix does need you I'm sure.
I've had some dealings with indie projects, but most of it didn't come to fruitition. A lot of people have very good ideas but to actually implement them into a finished product, that's another story. I'm very open to the idea though so if Netflix comes knocking I will definitely open that door!

My last question would be about where you would like to take Holon to in the near future?
I don't have any concrete plans for the project. I'll continue writing music as long as I feel the passion and drive is there, I'm taking everything a day at a time. I'm not saying no to anything, playing live, singing to a label, doing vocal tracks etc. I'm open to possibilities. I do have a very busy life of course, I work full time and I also have a family to raise so there are limits to how far I can take this.